PMDG update V.3.0.20

[RobF2 150]

I like the newer look - hated the worn out textures where knees rubbed in the NGX.  Strangely I don't care one bit about the textures as long as legible, realistic and still get my dopamine hit everytime advance the throttles and hear those fantastic engine sounds they pulled off in the 737.

Edited June 5, 2022 by RobF2

[ShawnG 1,823]

33 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

If they "laser scanned" it all, then why are there so many substandard textures littering the aircraft?

because laser scanning has not one single thing to do with textures?  it's a 3d modeling tool.  

[Ricardo41 5,990]

1 hour ago, ShawnG said:

because laser scanning has not one single thing to do with textures?  it's a 3d modeling tool.  

Nothing, of course, but if you invest the time to "laser scan", why not go the xtra mile and work on the textures?

[JDWalley 354]

18 hours ago, pmplayer said:

Now what do they think for what reason we need those pop-up 2D displays, for use it in the cockpit ? There i dont need one i have there the panels..

Well, I need it!  I guess my monitor isn't as large as yours but, when I am in a good position on the flight deck to be able to see and control most of the instruments on the MCP, the PFD is too small to read clearly.  I used to fly the NGX in P3D with the pop-out PFD in the upper left corner, and I would occasionally put a pop-up FMC in the upper right corner as well.  It made flying a lot easier.

Edited June 5, 2022 by JDWalley

[pmplayer 9,817]

1 hour ago, JDWalley said:

Well, I need it!  I guess my monitor isn't as large as yours but, when I am in a good position on the flight deck to be able to see and control most of the instruments on the MCP, the PFD is too small to read clearly.  I used to fly the NGX in P3D with the pop-out PFD in the upper left corner, and I would occasionally put a pop-up FMC in the upper right corner as well.  It made flying a lot easier.

Shure, i understand that, and i know it is used about that, not all people like me have three monitors ( ore at least two ) in use..

But that is not the fact i mean, do you would like ( if you have more monitors ) to open it on your base monitor within the cockpit and not on the second one ?

I don`t think so and i just do - simply not understand - that they make the usage off updating this panels only witin the cockpit and not beeing in the outside view.

No nother plane that uses 2d pop up panels ( and that barly all of them we have in the sim ) do work from the outside view and PMDG, the professional guys, do not ??

Come on, this is just not professional and that is why i pointed this out.

Hope this gets fast and soon updated because from my view this is a real disaster, especially from such a professional developer team !

 

cheers 🤔

Edited June 5, 2022 by pmplayer

[threexgreen 3,261]

7 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

substandard textures littering the aircraft?

That's completely exaggerated. The overhead looks a bit cartooney on a 2D screen but that's about it. Other than that people seem to be oddly concerned with the gear bay textures, but they are getting an update as well as the cabin.

5 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Nothing, of course, but if you invest the time to "laser scan", why not go the xtra mile and work on the textures?

Why do you think they didn't work on the textures? If they had access to a real one to survey for development they most likely took tons of photos and other reference material and went by that including creating the cockpit textures, so they decided to model a clean cockpit this time around. That doesn't mean they slapped some default textures on it without any work just because it's a clean cockpit rather than a worn out one. I don't understand why people seem to believe modeling a clean cockpit equates to cheap or lazy. Adding dirty spots and paint peeling off doesn't take an awful lot of time. It's just a decision to go for clean this time.

[ShawnG 1,823]

6 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Nothing, of course, but if you invest the time to "laser scan", why not go the xtra mile and work on the textures?

Well, you are probably referring to the cabin textures, and I don’t know why THEY didn’t, other than what they said about them being placeholders, and not meant to be final.

I wouldn’t have worked on them, because modeling the cabin is stupid. IMO.  Not a passenger simulator..

[JRBarrett 3,286]

4 hours ago, pmplayer said:

Shure, i understand that, and i know it is used about that, not all people like me have three monitors ( ore at least two ) in use..

But that is not the fact i mean, do you would like ( if you have more monitors ) to open it on your base monitor within the cockpit and not on the second one ?

I don`t think so and i just do - simply not understand - that they make the usage off updating this panels only witin the cockpit and not beeing in the outside view.

No nother plane that uses 2d pop up panels ( and that barly all of them we have in the sim ) do work from the outside view and PMDG, the professional guys, do not ??

Come on, this is just not professional and that is why i pointed this out.

Hope this gets fast and soon updated because from my view this is a real disaster, especially from such a professional developer team !

 

cheers 🤔

There is (as yet) no direct support in the MSFS SDK for pop-up windows in aircraft coded in WASM. There is support for pop-ups in aircraft coded in JavaScript/HTML, which includes all the default MSFS aircraft and mods based on the default planes, but not for WASM.

Hans Hartman at Aerosoft first figured out a way to semi-emulate a pop-up window in their CRJ, and passed along his technique to PMDG. It is a bit of a “hack” which is not a true pop-up such as you have in FSX/P3D and X-Plane. They are basically calling a native Windows API function to create a child window of the main VC window, containing the contents of a particular gauge or display. In the CRJ the child window even has standard Windows maximize/minimize controls in the upper right corner.

The drawback of doing it this way is that unless the parent window (the MSFS VC) has focus, any child windows which are derived from the parent window will stop updating. That is exactly what happens when you go to an external view. 

This has nothing to do with the skill, competence or “professionalism” of the developer. It is not something that PMDG can “fix” because it is a basic limitation of the Windows operating system itself. Until such time as Asobo includes direct support for creating true independent 2D pop up windows in WASM, the current “pseudo” pop up is best that can be done.

Edited June 5, 2022 by JRBarrett

[Kilo60 660]

What's in the update?

[pmplayer 9,817]

2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

There is (as yet) no direct support in the MSFS SDK for pop-up windows in aircraft coded in WASM. There is support for pop-ups in aircraft coded in JavaScript/HTML, which includes all the default MSFS aircraft and mods based on the default planes, but not for WASM.

Hans Hartman at Aerosoft first figured out a way to semi-emulate a pop-up window in their CRJ, and passed along his technique to PMDG. It is a bit of a “hack” which is not a true pop-up such as you have in FSX/P3D and X-Plane. They are basically calling a native Windows API function to create a child window of the main VC window, containing the contents of a particular gauge or display. In the CRJ the child window even has standard Windows maximize/minimize controls in the upper right corner.

The drawback of doing it this way is that unless the parent window (the MSFS VC) has focus, any child windows which are derived from the parent window will stop updating. That is exactly what happens when you go to an external view. 

This has nothing to do with the skill, competence or “professionalism” of the developer. It is not something that PMDG can “fix” because it is a basic limitation of the Windows operating system itself. Until such time as Asobo includes direct support for creating true independent 2D pop up windows in WASM, the current “pseudo” pop up is best that can be done.

Thanks for pointing that out, didn't know that, but there is one thing : I am a user of the CRJ

and if i am not completly wrong, and i belive not, there pop up panels do work poped up and from the outside view.

I used that often, more or less always and saw it working .

But at the moment i longer didn't use the CRJ but it worked at last use..

cheers 😉

[JRBarrett 3,286]

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

Thanks for pointing that out, didn't know that, but there is one thing : I am a user of the CRJ

and if i am not completly wrong, and i belive not, there pop up panels do work poped up and from the outside view.

I used that often, more or less always and saw it working .

But at the moment i longer didn't use the CRJ but it worked at last use..

cheers 😉

I have the CRJ currently. I will check this later today and let you know.

[JRBarrett 3,286]

3 hours ago, pmplayer said:

Thanks for pointing that out, didn't know that, but there is one thing : I am a user of the CRJ

and if i am not completly wrong, and i belive not, there pop up panels do work poped up and from the outside view.

I used that often, more or less always and saw it working .

But at the moment i longer didn't use the CRJ but it worked at last use..

cheers 😉

Confirmed - in the CRJ it does keep updating in external view, so evidently there is a difference in how it is being implemented in the Aerosoft CRJ vs the PMDG 737

[Stearmandriver 2,343]

7 hours ago, ShawnG said:

I wouldn’t have worked on them, because modeling the cabin is stupid. IMO.  Not a passenger simulator..

I've made this same joke, seeing the increase in wing-from-cabin-window views on streams and YouTube vids: are we playing deadhead simulator now?   😁

The obsession with cabin modeling (and wing flex while we're at it) in the sim world has completely puzzled me.  In 23 years, I think I've glanced back and noted the wings flexing maybe a few times.  The fact that they flex a bit in glass smooth air in sim aircraft is ridiculous, and I can only assume is a result of the community demanding ever more wing flex from devs, who are probably as puzzled as me by this demand but know where their bread is buttered lol. 

[pmplayer 9,817]

8 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Confirmed - in the CRJ it does keep updating in external view, so evidently there is a difference in how it is being implemented in the Aerosoft CRJ vs the PMDG 737

OK, so hoping PMDG can do a update so it works from the outside view aswell,  maybe with the help from Aerosoft ?

I mean they used the help before..

A fix for this issue would be very important for me and in general it would then be as it should be, namely that it also works with the outside view.

cheers 😉

Edited June 6, 2022 by pmplayer

[roi1862 617]

8 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I've made this same joke, seeing the increase in wing-from-cabin-window views on streams and YouTube vids: are we playing deadhead simulator now?   😁

The obsession with cabin modeling (and wing flex while we're at it) in the sim world has completely puzzled me.  In 23 years, I think I've glanced back and noted the wings flexing maybe a few times.  The fact that they flex a bit in glass smooth air in sim aircraft is ridiculous, and I can only assume is a result of the community demanding ever more wing flex from devs, who are probably as puzzled as me by this demand but know where their bread is buttered lol. 

I agree. Jumping from time to time to people streaming MSFS, almost always i find myself watching the wings from the cabin… passenger simulator…